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| Author: | Cocephus [ Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:49 am ] |
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Please don`t get aggravated with me and my questions, but I prefer to get my research done before I really screw something up. As I am somewhat experienced with using glue at work for panel glue-ups and the like, (i`ve made quite a few six panel doors) can someone tell me the inside scoop on the differences between the three titebonds? Also, I`ve been seeing one type of glue referred to as "CA". Is that short for Candied Apricots? 
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| Author: | Jerry Hossom [ Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:56 am ] |
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Just a note: There are at least two active discussions on the glue issue and I'm certain there are many more in the archives. You can use the search function and find all of them. Some background reading might speed up your research. |
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| Author: | Don Williams [ Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:58 am ] |
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CA = cyanoacrylate, i.e. "Super Glue" The Titebond some of us use is the original Titebond I believe, not the outside waterproof stuff, nor the new version. Good old traditional titebond. |
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| Author: | Mario [ Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:58 am ] |
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CA is cyano acrylate. Also known as super glue.... You wnat to use Titebond original. Period. Titebond II is more waterproof, but it also dries to a soft, rubbery consistency, and is prone to heavy creep. The jury's still out on III, but with Titebond original being in use since '65 with great success, it's all you need. And then, some day, you'll discover hot, fresh hide glue, and toss all the Titebond away.... |
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| Author: | Mario [ Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:59 am ] |
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Don, Titebond Original is what most use, not II. II is the worst one to use. Edit: Arghhhhhhhh! <bg> I was answering to Don's post, but he fixed his typo. He seemed to be saying to use II, not I. Titebond original: AKA Titebond I |
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| Author: | Don Williams [ Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:59 am ] |
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Rats! Mario beat me by a split second! |
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| Author: | Don Williams [ Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:59 am ] |
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Yes, I corrected myself....thanks. |
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| Author: | Mario [ Mon Jul 25, 2005 1:01 am ] |
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Playing post tag? You're it! |
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| Author: | crazymanmichael [ Mon Jul 25, 2005 1:02 am ] |
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titebond 2 and 3 are "improvements" on the original in that they were designed to have increased open time and be heat and water resistant. there have been so many reports of failure in their use in instrument making that it has become accepted that one should steer away from them. the original is still a good choice. but always check freshness when buying, record the date bought and opened, store away from heat and cold, do not leave the bottle open for long periods, and relegate to not critical uses when it gets "old". what is old? for me that is three months from the date i open it or 6 months from the bottle stamped manufacturing date. ca = cyanoacrylate(sp), the generic name for super glue-crazyglue-etc. |
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| Author: | Don Williams [ Mon Jul 25, 2005 1:11 am ] |
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[QUOTE=Mario] Playing post tag? You're it![/QUOTE] Rats! I HATE being "It".
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| Author: | Cocephus [ Mon Jul 25, 2005 1:36 am ] |
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Just my luck. The big shots at work were really talking titebond lll up, saying that it was the best thing since sliced bread, up to and including not leaving a visible glue line.-Wrong! I went ahead and bought a gallon and kept it in mind to use it only for invisibility and moisture-prone applications. (the stuff cost 20 smackers!) Well, we really do pay for poor choices, don`t we? By the way, appologies for starting a new topic when there was already one open. Still figuring out protcol. |
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| Author: | Mario [ Mon Jul 25, 2005 3:06 am ] |
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Cabinetry and lutherie are two very, very different vocations, and few things that are "right" for one work for the other. You almost have to forget all your past woodworking knowledge when you begin making instruments. The big shots at work aren't wrong, they're just not talking of the same uses and requirements we do. |
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| Author: | Michael Dale Payne [ Mon Jul 25, 2005 6:21 am ] |
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Titebond III makes a great glue for a guitar...................................................... ....................shaped bath tube boat
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| Author: | Brock Poling [ Mon Jul 25, 2005 7:25 am ] |
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Mario... (and others) you mention "fresh" hide glue. I know you make yours up and freeze it. Once it is "frozen fresh" how long does it keep in the freezer? I bottle it in very small bottles and triple bag it. When I need a new bottle I just dig in the stash... But I am wondering how long it will keep before I should cook a new batch. Thoughts? |
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| Author: | Mario [ Mon Jul 25, 2005 9:38 am ] |
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I've kept some in the freezer for 2-3 months, but never longer. I think it's fine for at least that long, but I'd worry about freezer burn, and breaking the protein chain, after that |
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